Judge David Cohn: 2004
Superior Court of California
County of San Bernardino
Victorville District, Dept. 3

of The Peninsular

POSSIBLE RELATION TO THIS WILLIAM COLLIER???
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John Pate wrote:

> I am interested in any information that anyone may have on
> William Collier. He was supposed to have been born in 1660
> in England, married Mary Eyers about 1682 and died in King
> and Queen County, Va in 1735.

John,

I have some information with those names but with different
combinations. Some of the dates I have are very suspect and
confusing. I'm going to have to re-search.

Vaughn

ROBERT COLLYER/COLLIER (1566??--1625)

Robert Collyer, son of Thurston, was born at Staffordshire, England,
in 1566 [This date can't be right if the marriage info is correct-
must be 1546] and died in 1625. He married Margery Straunge, widow, of
St. Botolph, Aldegate on February 3, 1569/70 [ London Marriage
Licenses, 1551-1869, pg 312]
Their children:

A. Charles Collyer was born about 1580 and married about 1614.
The was a cloth worker and merchant in London. He had four children,
two of which have been identified, William Collier and Mary Collier.

1. William Collier, the third child of Charles Collyer, was born
about 1625 in London, England and married Sarah or Mary Culliford.
William was a citizen and weaver in London. William took his family
and went to Virginia where his uncle, Isaac Collier was in York
County. William is mentioned in York County records in 1670. He
later moved to New Kent County where he joined the militia as an
officer. In 1675, he was named Lt. Colonel of that county. William
and Sarah had one son born in England just before they made the trip
to Virginia and three more born in America. They were the ancestors
of the Colliers of New Kent, Hanover, and King William Counties,
Virginia. Their children:

a. Charles Collier who was born in London, England in 1660
and died September 4, 1735 in Virginia and married Mary Eyers on April
21, 1682.
b. Sarah Collier.
c. John Collier.
d. William Collier Jr.

2. Mary Collyer.

B. John Collyer, of London, "Merchant and cloath worker", was born
in 1594 and died in December 1649. He married Regina, daughter of
Mrs. Anna Semiliano. His will, made December 18, 1649 and proved
January 8, 1650, directed that he be buried at Beddington, Surry and
gave 1/3 of his goods to his wife, Regina, 1/3 to his son, Charles and
gave the remaining 1/3, "to my brother, Isaac Collyer Sr., I forgive
E500 he owes me, to my nephew, Isaac Collier Jr., E15O." There were
several other bequests to relatives, in-laws and to the poor. The
executors named were his friend John Throgmorton; brother, Isaac
Collyer; and wife, Regina. He also stipulated that, "If my wife
leaves England at any time, my son, Charles is not to go with her; he
is to be brought up in English learning and the Protestant faith".
[VIRGINIA MAGAZINE, XXVIII, 130]

C. Mary Collyer was born about 1600. She married John Knight and
they had three children.

D. Isaac Collyer Sr. , our emigrant ancestor, is discussed in the
following section.

3 Dec 1787 Charles and Dabney Collier chose Langston Bacon as guardianand Betsey chose Paul Carrington as guardian (so they were at least age14, so born before 1773) [Source: Charlotte Co, VA Court Order Book 7p144]. Langston Bacon is Betsy's guardian by 1792 when he makes hisreport so she is still under age. (Source: Charlotte Co, VA Court OrderBook 9 p24.) (from Rubyann Thompson Darnell, Flower Mound TX)

From G. Brown Goode's Virgina Cousins:

"was born at Porto Bello 1720-30, and removed about the middle of thecentury to a place on the Meherrin River, where he owned large tracts,probably in Lunenburg Co., and in or near what is now Charlotte Co. Hisplantation houses were occupied by Tarleton during his raid in 1776.After the Revolution in 1802 he removed with his family to SouthCarolina. Married Elizabeth, dau. of John W. Wyatt, of Gloucester Co.,who was grandson either of Sir Francis Wyatt, Governor of Virginia, ormore probably of Rev. Hawte Wyatt, his brother. Issue:-- "

3 Dec 1787 Charles and Dabney Collier chose Langston Bacon as guardianand Betsey chose Paul Carrington as guardian (so they were at least age14, so born before 1773) [Source: Charlotte Co, VA Court Order Book 7p144]. Langston Bacon is Betsy's guardian by 1792 when he makes hisreport so she is still under age. (Source: Charlotte Co, VA Court OrderBook 9 p24.) (from Rubyann Thompson Darnell, Flower Mound TX)

Thomas M. Owen's Revolutionary Soldiers in Alabama:
COLLIER, JAMES. Died at his residence near the village, on Monday the20th instant, after a severe illness of two weeks, Mr. James Collier, inthe 77th year of his age. Mr. Collier was a native of Virginia, and at anearly period of his life entered the Revolutionary Army. Through thewhole of that arduous and protracted struggle for liberty, he manifestedthe most untiring zeal and unceasing devotion in the cause of hiscountry. He was no less distinguished for his patriotism, than forhigh-toned honor and those bland and social virtues which endeared him toa large circle of relations and friends.

Overwhelming as is this melancholy bereavement to his worthy family, inwhich he shone as a most affectionate husband and father, and benevolentmaster, there is still for them great consolation in knowing that hedeveloped strong hopes of future bliss, that flourish above the tomb,immortal and unfading. Many of his latest moments were spent in prayer;and he maintained throughout this trying interval that propriety whichbelonged to the character of a man of sense, and that elevated dependenceupon a higher power which became a Christian.
Such were, as we have been enabled to sketch them, the life and death ofour deceased friend; we see pictured in them the employments of a manbent earnestly and steadily upon the faithful discharge of the dutieswhich pertained to the situation allotted to him by his Creator. Nomeritorious artifice to attract the popular applause, no disingenuousmaneuvering, were perceptible in his character. These qualities renderedhim firm and steady in his friendships. His loss will long be felt by thecircle of relations whom he has left behind him; and his memory, as asoldier and a man, will be long and affectionately cherished by all towhom he was known.
How often, at the peaceful fireside of this revolutionary soldier, havewe heard the tale of the deeds of other years! Even now, can we see, infancy's eye, the grey-haired sire, traveling with increased emotionthrough the memorable battles of Gilford, Brandywine, Savannah and EutawSprings. His aged and failing eyes glisten again with the fire of youth!At the recollection of their resplendent glories, he springs forward fromthe venerable chair of age, and in the warmth of emotion, almost forgets,for the time, the lapse of years! But he is gone to the cold and silenttomb, moldering into dust, and mingling again with his mother earth. Nomore shall his spirit rejoice in the cannon's roar, or the music of thedrum. Triana, Madison Co., Ala. Aug. 18, 1832.-Southern Advocate,Huntsville, Sept. 8, 1832.
Mrs. P. H. Mell has collected some additional details, and her sketch isgiven in full, although it contains some repetitions:
"James Collier a Revolutionary soldier, is buried on his plantation nearTriana, Madison County, Alabama, about twenty miles from Huntsville.
"His wife is buried beside him and their monuments, with inscriptions,are now standing in a full state of preservation in the old familyburying ground. The inscriptions are as follows:
" 'To the memory of
JAMES COLLIER,
who was born in Lunenburg Co. Va., Oct. 13th,
A. D. 1757, and died the 20th of August, A. D. 1832.
"And though after my skin worms destroy this body,
yet in my flesh shall I see God: whom I shall see for
myself and my eyes shall behold and not another."
To the memory of
ELIZABETH BOULDIN,
of Charlotte Co., Va., wife of James Collier, who was born the 13th ofFeb., A. D. 1763, and died the 23rd of Feb., A. D. 1828.
"All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as a flower ofthe field, for the wind passeth over it and it is gone and the placethereof shall know it no more."
"James Collier was the son of Cornelius Collier and Elizabeth Wyatt, ofLunenburg County, Va. He was descended from Charles Collier, of King andQueen County, Va., on his father's side, and his mother was nearlyrelated to Sir Francis Wyatt, Colonial Governor of Virginia. It was theold flax wheel of his (James Collier's) cousin, Mary Collier, theancestor of the late Prof. G. Brown Goode, which suggested insignia ofthe Daughters of the American Revolution. James Collier was wounded atthe battle of Eutaw Springs by a sabre cut across his cheek, in ahand-to-hand encounter with a British soldier. He killed the soldier andcarried the scar on his face to his grave. His brother, Wyatt Collier,was killed in the same battle when only a boy.
"James Collier married Elizabeth Bouldin, July 3, 1788, daughter ofJames Bouldin and Sally Watkins, of Charlotte County, Va. He was a largeland owner in Lunenburg County and resided there until 1802, when he,with his little family, followed his father and other relatives toAbbeville District, South Carolina. He was a large planter in that Stateuntil 1818, when he followed his sons to the territory of Alabama, hisolder sons having settled in that part of the Mississippi territory, nowAlabama, in 1812. He settled on a large plantation in Madison County,where he lived and died.
"His wife, Elizabeth Bouldin, was the daughter of James Bouldin, who wasthe oldest son of Colonel Thomas Bouldin of Colonial fame, who settled inLunenburg (now Charlotte) County, Virginia, in l 744, coming fromPennsylvania. His wife was Nancy Clark, niece of Captain Richard Wood ofthe English navy. The family of Bouldins are noted for their intellectand their love for the legal profession. Virginia boasts there has neverbeen a generation without a Judge, even to the present day. This coupleleft a large family of sons, but there were only four grandsons among,the grandchildren. Governor Henry Watkins Collier was a son of JamesCollier. He was closely connected with the politics of Alabama from 1822until his death in 1855.
"The ancestry of James Collier is as follows:
(1) Charles Collier of King and Queen County, Virginia. One of hischildren,-
(2) John Collier, Sr., (1680-1735), who was married three times, by histhird wife, Nancy Eyres, had issue, among others:
(3) Cornelius Collier, born 1725, married Elizabeth Wyatt in GloucesterCounty, Va., about 1750, lived in Lunenburg County, Va., was a soldier inthe Revolution and moved to Abbeville District, South Carolina in 1788;he had four sons and one of them was-
(4) James Collier, the subject of this sketch. The facts of this articlewere furnished by his great-granddaughter Miss Elizabeth R. Benagh. JamesCollier is mentioned in the Memorial Record of Alabama, vol. ii p. 415."-Transactions of the Alabama Historical Society, Vol. iv, pp. 536-7.

Will - [date: 26 SEP 1749] [place: will was dated 1746...may explain why documented child Mary was not in will as well as why possible William of 1754 was not in will.]

THE A.E. HART BOOK THE "RICHARD CALLOWAY FAMILY" IN SPEAKING OF JOHNCOLLIER OF 1742 WHO WAS MARRIED TO GRIZZELDA TAYLOR, SAID THAT JOHN OF1742'S FATHER WAS A JOHN COLLIER A PROSPEROUS PLANTER. THAT WOULD HAVEBEEN JOHN COLLIER OF 1707. IT SAYS THAT JOHN OF 1707 HAD MANY SONS ANDDAUGHTERS, ONE OF WHICH WAS A WILLIAM (THIS WOULD BE WILLIAM OF 1754)MOVED TO TENNESSEE AND WAS LOST TO ALL KNOWLEDGE OF THE KINDRED. THISIS THE ONLY INDICATION OF WHO WAS WILLIAM OF 1754'S FATHER I HAVE FOUND.HOWEVER IT IS BORN OUT BY THE SEVERAL INDICATORS. FIRST THEQUESTION OF WHY WOULD JOHN OF 1707'S WILL NOT INCLUDE THIS CHILDWILLIAM IF HE WAS IN FACT A CHILD. THE REASON WAS THAT JOHN OF 1707'SWILL WAS DRAWN IN 1746 BEFORE WILLIAM OF 1754 WAS BORN, AS WAS THECASE OF ANOTHER DOCUMENTED CHILD OF JOHN OF 1707---MARY....WHO THEVIRGINIA COUSINS BOOK SAYS WAS BORN IN 1756. NOTE THAT THIS JOHN OF 1707DIED IN 1759.

FROM A.E. HART CALLOWAY FAMILY WRITE UP IN LDS LIBRARY.
"The Isaac Collier line,though lnteresting,has no special claim on me,formy descent is from the William Collier family Of 1670, whose membersdrifted. from the coast to King end Queen county, Va.,and thence toHanover county,Va , ,where John Collier, grandfather of MaryA.Collier,was born and reared,a son of another John Collier, a prosperousplanter with several ,sons,besides numerous daughters
(according to family tradition.) One of the brothers, William, moved toTennessee and was lost to all knowledge of the kindred."

FROM Colonial Families of Southern States:
"CAPT. JOHN COLLIER (4--1.), of King and Queen Co., and later of HanoverCo., Va.; b. 1707. made will Sept. 26, 1749, pro. 1759, in which he nameshis sons, Thomas, John, and Joseph, daughters Elizabeth IronmongerCollier, Frances and Sally; and in which he leaves "to my mother-in-law,Ann Collier, of King and Queen County, the part of that tract that wasgiven me by my [p.150] grandfather,. Charles Collier, of King and Queen."He also names his step sister, Martha Games, and appoints George MorrissandDavid Crawford, executors. He served as an officer in aVirginiaRegiment under Admiral Vernon in the Carthagean expedition,1740-42; and owned large estates in Isle of Wight and Surry Co.'s. He m.Elizabeth Meredith"

Other "John Colliers, Colyers" not placed but noted here for info:

Per Lyman Chalkley's work Vol III -Augusta County Va. court records page403: 27th October, 1760. John Colyer's will----To wife Sisley; to sonAlexander, 400 acres akjoining James Davis; to son John, place testatornow lives on (infant); to son Moses, tract called Boyd's Entry; to sonAaron; to son (daughter?)Margaret. Executors, wife Sisley and JamesGilmore. Teste: Jno. Wiley. Proved, 20th August, 1765, by witnesses.Cicely (her mark) qualifies, with Jas. Trimble, John Summers.

comment: If this is William of 1715's father, seems strange notmentioned in Chalkley will above.

THIS NEXT JOHN COLYER OF 1722 I HAVE NOT PLACED EXACTLY BUT DOES NOTAPPEAR TO BE A PART OF THE LINE OF MY FAMILY OF JOHN COLLIERS ETC.

Will of John Colyer, Sr. 1722-1765 Oct 27th 1760 Proved 20th August 1765.
(John Colyer was born ca 1722, Augusta Co, VA)
To wife Sisely: to son Alexaner, 400 acres adjoining James David; to
son John, place testor now lives an (infant); to son Moses, , tract
called Boyd's entry; to son Aaron; to son (daughter) Margaret,
(Aaron's and Margaret' shares are not spe cified in the abstract).Esecutors;
Wife Sisly and james Gilmore Teste: Jno Summers. Jno Wiley. Proved
20th August 1765 by the witness. Cicely (her mark) qualifies with Jas.
Trimble. John Summers. WBK 3, 403, Original court records, Chalkey,

Vol III pg 90. John ColyerSr. married ca. 1743 Sisely ca. 1724 VA
1. Alexander ca 1744
2. John, jr. ca 1746
3. Moses ca 1748 m. 8/1/1769 Lunenburg, VA (lived lincoln kY ca
1790's) Nancy Blank (s)
4. Aaron Sr. 1760 Augusta VA; 1842 Lee Co VA; m. ca 1777 Rockbridge
VA; lived Buck Creek, SEminary, Turkey Cove lee Co VA; FRances
(Frankey/Eliz) ca. 1765; ca 1845 Turkey Cove Lee Co VA5. Margaret
ABout the same time that Aaron appears on tax lists in Lee Co VA; Wm.
Randolph Collier, Sr also appears. Then later ca. 1860 Lewis Collier
of LEE Co VA married Valera Collier d/o Martin Douglas Collier;
Lewis's father is given as Isaac Collier.
Sure do need some help with this bunch of Colliers. I have further
info down from these people and will happily share.

Marsil in NM
MRS MARSIL R CREECH

Per Dessie Simmons of Johnson City TN (editor for Johnson Cityhistorical society past 18 years (8/1/98) and co editor of book Historyof Washington Co. TN before 1800) her review of book in her possessionby the Daughters of the American Revolution called Roster Of SoldiersBuried in Tn--shows a John Collier born 1732 in Pennsylvania that died in1792 in TN. He was under Col Randolph's Regiment in North Carolina in1782 in Randolph Co. N.C. Says that he was married to a Margaret and hadsons named Thomas and John, Jr.

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Dear Randy,

I am always curious when I see "John Collier" had a big plantation andseven sons in North Carolina.

Can you please tell me which county in NC and when.

If it is the John Collier in Guilford/Randolph County during the Rev.War, I want to make sure you don't get yours confused with 11mine." Ihave been arguing with sources (one live) for years, trying to seperatethe two. I have finally done so, to my satisfaction and have documentsto prove it. The two John's overlap in time somewhat, but yours stayedand mine moved to Greene County, TN in 1792 So everything after that dateshould be yours safely.

Mine was the Col. John Collier (1732-1823) born in Harrisburg(Paxtang/Paxton), PA, son of James and Susannah Dougan Collier. Hemoved to NC after his uncle, Thomas Dougan, Sr., (1763) by 1772 andlived there for 20 years. Any military connection with the Dougan family(and also a Thomas Johnston) will be mine. Col. John was in the NCmilitia and fought in the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. He was also aprosecutor of Tories and was persecuted in return. Fanning and Littleburned his house down twice. One night he escaped with three bulletholes through his shirt. His wife was named Margaret.

Col. John also owned a lot of land. Much of it bought after confiscationfrom the Tories. After the war, much of it was taken away from him. In1792 he had had enough and started over again in Tennessee.

One lady I corresponded with was convinced that she had been in the largehouse he had owned which was still standing. That was the largeplantation which had been divided among 7 sons. That would be yours.My Col. John, had only two living sons. One died during the persecutionof Fanning and LIttle. The sons of my Col. John came to Tennessee withhim, John Jr, and Thomas

Mine lived on or near Deep River. The Dougans, his cousins, lived on Deep
River also and are buried in the Bell/Welborn Cemetery in Sophia, Randolph
County, North Carolina.

I have copies of 14 letters written among the members of the Dougan,Collier,
Johnston families from NC and SC back to their family in PA. They rangefrom
1776 to 1828. That, plus some Bible records, county histories, etc. aremy
proof.

Let me know if I can help you straighten them out. Sincerely,

Brenda Schwall GENEOBUG@@aol. com

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COLONIAL FAMILIES OF THE Southern States of America
COLLIER FAMILY
page 150
5--3. Joseph, 1749 of South Crolina served with distinction in theRevolutionary War; he m. 12-15-1772 Amy Moseller, and had issue amongothers: 1. Meredith, m. Eliza Grey of Georgia; 2. Merrel, of Georgia; 3.Hiliary, m. Frances Quarlesy of Georgia. 4. Nancy m. John Talbert. 5.Sarah m. John S. Combs. 5. Ann m. ---- Farrar 7. Mary m. Samuel Boyd. 8.Tos. G. Abin

I researched and compiled a book, ROBERT TERRELL COLLIER, His Ancestorsand
Descendants. The search for Robert Terrell Collier's ancestors was through
Upshur and Nacogdoches counties in Texas, back to Georgia during itsformative
years from directly after the Revolutionary War and through the CivilWar, back
to Virginia during the Colonial days, then to England to a time prior tothe
discovery of America, and finally to the family origin in France about1200 AD.
The origin of the family name Collier was probably the village ofCauli‚res
in France, and the first recorded use of the name was in a cartulary of
Selincourt Abbey in 1217 when one of the witnesses was "Frater Johannes de
Caouli‚res". [ANTIQUARIES DEPICARDIE, Vol 40, Amiens; grant by Godefrid
deMiannay]. Johannes de Li‚stes was born in the village of Li‚stre, 44
kilometers southeast of Boulogne, Department of Pas-de-Calais,Artois, in
northwest France. He was the younger son of a baronial family who, as ayoung
man, was apparently transferred, by the mother abbey, to SelincourtAbbey, which
assigned him as a bailiff or magistrate to the management of the villageof
Cauli‚res. The evidence indicates that he was not a member of the clergyand the
designation "Frater" was probably a courtesy title because of his dutiesin
connection with the village of Cauli‚res. Johannes adopted the name of the
village of his employment, Cauli‚res, as his surname and became thefounder of a
prolific family. He did not possess a feudal estate since the entirevillage
belonged to the abbey, so each of his sons had to acquire his own estatethrough
purchase, marriage, military service, or other means. As a result, the
Cauli‚res family spread widely over ancient Picardy and Artois, butdisappeared
from the village whose name they bore. A variety of coats-of-arms aroseamong
the various family branches. The forename Robert occurred repeatedlythroughout
the Department of Pas-de-Calais in this region that our ancestor RobertColi‚re
was born about 1453.
Robert Coli‚re was born near the end of the hundred year war betweenFrance
and England. The English kings controlled much of France. William theconqueror
was also the Duke of Normandy, so his heirs continued to rule thatimportant
part of France. Eleanor of Aquitaine, heiress of that vast feudal estatethat
included most of southwestern France, was divorced by King Louis VII ofFrance
and married an English prince who became King Henry II of England. TheEnglish
kings held their French lands as vassals of the king of France whileruling
England in their own right. In theory their lands were part of the french
kingdom, but in practice they belonged to England. Fighting over feudalclaims
went on for several centuries, but in the 14th century the trouble blazedinto a
national war that lasted over a hundred years. For a time the war wentbadly for
the French. Then Joan of Arc changed the course of event, leading theFrench in
the defense of Orleans. She also recaptured the city of Reins where theFrench
kings were crowned, making possible the coronation of the Dauphin, heirto the
crown. The new king was lazy and did not follow up on the victories andlater,
the English captured Joan and burned her at the stake. According tolegend, one
of the English soldiers, who had come rejoice at the death of an enemywas heard
to cry out, "We are lost --we have burned a saint!" The English cause inFrance
was indeed lost. In the next few years, the French slowly drove back theEnglish
invaders until only Calais remained in English hands. Calais, France was
controlled by England until 1558.
Robert Coli‚re de Darlaston was a contemporary of ChristopherColumbus.
Both may have been in the service of Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand atthe
same time. Both started a move to America at about the same time. Columbus
reached America first, but Robert's move was more lasting.
Prior to the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella, Spain consisted of many
little Christian kingdoms, all engaged in the re-conquest of Spain fromthe
Moors. Castile finally became the most powerful and in the 13th centurymanaged
to confine the moors to a small area near Granada. The kings of Spainneeded the
support of the middle class in this struggle and representatives of thetowns
were admitted to the national council. When Isabella, the young Queen of
Castile, and Ferdinand, King of Aragon, fell in love and married theylaid the
foundation of a united Spain and together they conquered Granada. Avoluntary
association of the towns and the rural gentry to clear the country ofbrigands
was established in 1475 , with 7-year memberships for foreigners. This
brotherhood or fraternity, called the Hermandad consisted of horsemen in
proportion of one for every 100 families. In the war with Granada, theHermandad
was employed as soldiers. Warriors from all over Europe swarmed intoSpain to
help in this war. It is quite possible that Robert Coli‚re, as a foreign
legionnaire was among the foreigners, including Englishmen, who werewelcomed to
this service in 1475.
In 1482, the Moorish Boabdil, deposed his father, who fled to Malaga,but
the advance of the forces of Ferdinand and Isabella forced him to resignthe
task of defense into more war-like hands in 1483. It is not unreasonableto
speculate that, at the end of a 7-year contract, young Robert Coli‚remight have
been induced to accompany an English friend to England. There inStaffordshire,
as a young, former officer, he would have been introduced into goodcircles and
thus met and married Sir John Doddington's daughter Isabella.
Robert Coli‚re's arrival in England about 1482, long preceding thearrival
of other members of this family in England and Ireland. He settled in the
market town of Stone, in Staffordshire County, England. The town standson the
river Trent and the Trent and Mersey Canal, 7 miles north northwest ofStafford,
7 miles south of Stoke-upon-Trent, and 137 miles from London. Robert wasfirst a
taylor (tailor), then a draper (a dealer in cloth or in clothes), andthen a
woolbuyer. Some of these staplers (dealers in staple goods) grew to great
wealth.
In the year 1503, two years before his death, Robert and Isabellamoved to
Darlaston Manor. Robert and his son Thurston leased Darlaston Manor, inthe
county of Staffordshire, from Thomas Whalley, then in 1537, Robert's son,James,
purchased the manor from Richard Whalley. Except for a brief time whenRobert's
great grandson, James Collier, sold the manor to his father-in-law in1597 and
until James's son, Francis, repurchased it from his grandfather in 1597,there
was a Coli‚re as Lord of Darlaston for over 180 years. A
great-great-great-great- grandson, James Coli‚re sold Darlaston toWilliam
Jervis in 1685.
Robert Coli‚re de Darlaston's great-great-great-grandson Isaac
Collyer/Collier Sr. emigrated to America between 1653 and 1670, settlingin York
Co., Virginia. Isaac was my wife's G-G-G-G-G- G-Grandfather.

The details I have are sketchy and there are a few improbable dates. Iwould
also like to contact researchers of the English Colliers.

Vaughn Ballard
[vballard@@airmail.net]
8/7/99

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Please post the following message.

Seeking information on origins and life of Stephen Collier born 1775,
probably in VA., lived about 30 years in TN.. Before 1810 moved to KYwhere
he died in Rockcastle Co. in 1844. He was an Elder in his church and hadat
least 7 children.

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On Mon, 28 May 2001 12:45:26 EDT Grfmtf@@aol.com writes:
> Greetings Wesley and or Dan;
>
> For years I have been researching a Stephen Collier that has been
> reported in
> Baptist Church records as a first cousin to Richard who was also a
> Baptist
> Preacher from about 1810 to 1850. Most of this time they were in
> the general
> area of Rockcastle Co..

G. Goode's Virginia Cousins:

"CAPT. THOMAS COLLIER, of Charlotte Co., Va., a soldier in Braddock'scampaign and the Revolution, took up 282 acres in Brunswick Co. in 1763,and for public services was granted 3,000 acres in Mason Co., Ky., towhich his descendants removed. Married Miss Dabney, of Hanover Co"

COLONIAL FAMILIES OF THE Southern States of America
COLLIER FAMILY
page 150
CAPT. THOMAS COLLIER (5--1),of Charlotte Co., Va., b. 1740 d. 1789; m1703; he received a grant of 282 acres in BrunswickCo.; served withdistinction in Braddock's Campaign, and in theRevolutionary War; wasgranted by Gov. Patrick Henry, for mili-tary services, as Capt. in theRevolution, 3,000 acres in Mason Co.,Ky., on a part of which some of hisdescendants are yet living; m. Mary Dabney, of Hanover Co., Va.,

Thomas Collier of Hanover Co. buys 367 acres of land in Charlotte Co.from Abraham Martin and wife, Betty, of Charlotte Co. on 2 Dec 1766 for143 pounds, on main branch of Horsepen Creek. Witnesses: Saml Perrin,Joseph Crenshaw and William Martin. Recorded 2 March 1767. (Source:"Charlotte County, Virginia 1765-1771 Deed Books 1 and 2" by JoanneLovelace Nance.) NOTE: Thomas is of Hanover Co. when he buys this landand Joseph Crenshaw (probably his father-in-law) is a witness. (source:Rubyann Thompson Darnell, Flower Mound TX)

In 4 Nov 1771 Thomas and Frances Collier sell to Joseph Collier all ofCharlotte Co. (Charlotte Co, VA Deed Book D3, p11-12) 177.5 acre tract inCharlotte Co., for 71 pounds 10 shillings, on main branch of Horsepen Cr.and bounded by patent line, Mays. Frances relinquished her dower. Nowitnesses signed.

I believe the Thomas Colliers above are the same Thomas Collier who wrotehis will in Charlotte Co, VA 18 Sept 1787, probated 3 Dec 1787 (Will Book1:402-402a). Thomas left to his wife Frances, for her natural life, the"plantation whereon I now reside on Horsepen Creek" and 2 slaves Davidand Sue and household items and stock of her choosing. At her death theplantation to be sold and money to go to daughters. His wife wasexpecting a child because he bequeaths a daughter's portion if it is agirl or a son's portion if it is a boy. He names daughters: Elizabeth,Anna, Patsey; sons Benjamin, John, Charles and Dabney. His sons John andBenjamin and friend John Daniel are Executors. Executors are to sell his517 acres in Halifax Co, VA and money is to go to daughters. The land inFayette County, KY to go to sons. Inventory and appraisement (Will Book2:59a abstracted by Bel Hubbard Wise) taken 26 Dec 1787, recorded 6 Apr1795. Division Jan 1788: Charles Collier, Benjamin Collier, BetseyCollier, John Collier, Frances Collier, Patsey Collier, Anny Collier andDabney Collier. Mathew Burt did not put his signature on the report as heremoved to State of South Carolina and is now dead. Recorded 6 Apr 1795.Division of Thomas' estate (Will Book 2:137b abstract by Bel HubbardWise) among his orphans: Benjamin Collier negro Phill, John Collier negroRachel; Betsey Collier negro Sarah and child Ben, Charles Collier negroHannah, Dabney Collier negro Abraham, Anny Collier negro Dilley, PatseyCollier negro Aggy, Frankey Collier negroes Any and Moses. Recorded 4 Feb1799.

3 Dec 1787 Charles and Dabney Collier chose Langston Bacon as guardianand Betsey chose Paul Carrington as guardian (so they were at least age14, so born before 1773) [Source: Charlotte Co, VA Court Order Book 7p144]. Langston Bacon is Betsy's guardian by 1792 when he makes hisreport so she is still under age. (Source: Charlotte Co, VA Court OrderBook 9 p24.)

Then in Charlotte Co, VA Order Book 9 (1792-1794) p122-124, 126 JohnCollier, guardian of Betsy Collier, orphan of Benjamin Collier deceased,reports account.
Charlotte Co, VA Order Book 10 p240 dated 9 Nov 1796 is court caseLangston Bacon, guardian of Dabney, Anne, Patsey and Frankey Collierinfants, Betsey Collier, John Collier and John Collier, guardian toBetsey Collier, dau of Benjamin Collier, in chancery vs Frances Collierwidow of Thomas Collier. Both of these Order Books are abstracted byJoanne Lovelace Nance, 1989 in her "Charlotte County, Virginia EighteenthCentury Orphans and Other Children." I have not actually seen these casepapers, if there are any, to know what the issue was.

Thomas Collier's executor (Chesley Daniel, Executor of John Danieldeceased) sells land on both sides of big Horsepen Creek, 190 acres,after the death of Thomas' wife Mrs. Frances Collier, to Philip Goode 4Feb 1815 and recorded 7 May 1815. (Charlotte Co, VA Deed Book D13,p105-106)

Benjamin Collier married Sarah Gains Collier, daughter of John Collier,bond dated 15 Nov 1787 and married 20 Nov by Rev. John Williams (Source:"Marriage Bonds and Minister's Returns of Charlotte County, Virginia1764-1815" by Catherine Lindsay Knorr, 1951). Benjamin's will (Will Bk2:16b abstract by Bel Hubbard Wise in "Charlotte County, Virginia WillBook 2 1791-1805") written 28 April 1791 with codicil 22 May 1791probated 3 Oct 1791: wife Sarah Gains Collier negro Stephen; to daughterElizabeth lands in Kentucky on south side of Ohio River devised to me bywill of my father Thomas Collier and slaves Phil and Dinah, also to dauElizabeth that due me from estate of my deceased brother Charles being inno manner disposed to submit to the establishment of his nuncupativewill; brother Dabney Collier; sister Betsey a double portion; to "UnkleJoseph Collier" title to 440 in Halifax on Spider Creek. Executorsfriends John Collier, Paul Carrington Junr and James Hamblett. Inventoryand appraisement of estate recorded 5 Dec 1791 (Will Book 2:17b).

I don't know who this John Collier is, found in Charlotte Co, VA WillBook 2:49 (abstract by Bel Hubbard Wise) but believe it may be an olderJohn Collier: nuncupative will 8 Dec 1793 probated 2 June 1794 EdgefieldCounty, South Carolina. Mother all estate during her natural life then tohis brothers and sisters [none named]. Witnesses: Joseph Collier, AmeyCollier and Nancy Collier.

Therefore, I have Thomas Collier's family is: Thomas born 1740s marrbefore 4 Nov 1771 Frances Crenshaw, children (order listed in his will):Elizabeth 'Betsy' (of age in 1796), Anna, Patsey, unborn child Frances'Frankey' born 1787, Benjamin (d betw May-Oct 1791), John (d after the1796 chancery suit or went to KY as some think), Charles (b bef 1773, dpre May 1791), Dabney (b bef 1773). Thomas may well have married MaryDabney first, as your source states, but he was married to Frances by 4Nov 1771 when they sold land. Since Hanover marriages aren't extant thisis all we have. -- -- Rubyann Thompson Darnell 3/31/03 Flower Mound TX

POSSIBLE RELATION TO THIS WILLIAM COLLIER???
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John Pate wrote:

> I am interested in any information that anyone may have on
> William Collier. He was supposed to have been born in 1660
> in England, married Mary Eyers about 1682 and died in King
> and Queen County, Va in 1735.

John,

I have some information with those names but with different
combinations. Some of the dates I have are very suspect and
confusing. I'm going to have to re-search.

Vaughn

ROBERT COLLYER/COLLIER (1566??--1625)

Robert Collyer, son of Thurston, was born at Staffordshire, England,
in 1566 [This date can't be right if the marriage info is correct-
must be 1546] and died in 1625. He married Margery Straunge, widow, of
St. Botolph, Aldegate on February 3, 1569/70 [ London Marriage
Licenses, 1551-1869, pg 312]
Their children:

A. Charles Collyer was born about 1580 and married about 1614.
The was a cloth worker and merchant in London. He had four children,
two of which have been identified, William Collier and Mary Collier.

1. William Collier, the third child of Charles Collyer, was born
about 1625 in London, England and married Sarah or Mary Culliford.
William was a citizen and weaver in London. William took his family
and went to Virginia where his uncle, Isaac Collier was in York
County. William is mentioned in York County records in 1670. He
later moved to New Kent County where he joined the militia as an
officer. In 1675, he was named Lt. Colonel of that county. William
and Sarah had one son born in England just before they made the trip
to Virginia and three more born in America. They were the ancestors
of the Colliers of New Kent, Hanover, and King William Counties,
Virginia. Their children:

a. Charles Collier who was born in London, England in 1660
and died September 4, 1735 in Virginia and married Mary Eyers on April
21, 1682.
b. Sarah Collier.
c. John Collier.
d. William Collier Jr.

2. Mary Collyer.

B. John Collyer, of London, "Merchant and cloath worker", was born
in 1594 and died in December 1649. He married Regina, daughter of
Mrs. Anna Semiliano. His will, made December 18, 1649 and proved
January 8, 1650, directed that he be buried at Beddington, Surry and
gave 1/3 of his goods to his wife, Regina, 1/3 to his son, Charles and
gave the remaining 1/3, "to my brother, Isaac Collyer Sr., I forgive
E500 he owes me, to my nephew, Isaac Collier Jr., E15O." There were
several other bequests to relatives, in-laws and to the poor. The
executors named were his friend John Throgmorton; brother, Isaac
Collyer; and wife, Regina. He also stipulated that, "If my wife
leaves England at any time, my son, Charles is not to go with her; he
is to be brought up in English learning and the Protestant faith".
[VIRGINIA MAGAZINE, XXVIII, 130]

C. Mary Collyer was born about 1600. She married John Knight and
they had three children.

D. Isaac Collyer Sr. , our emigrant ancestor, is discussed in the
following section.

See file at Church of Latter Day Saints http://www.familysearch.com file(AFN:P7FK-BL)

Died in the revolutionary war battle of Eutaw Springs